Blessing & Circle Medicine

Facilitator Training


Are Blessings Calling You?

Are you being called to facilitate circles, blessings & ceremonies for your clients to honour the sacred and holy initiations of our rites of passage because you KNOW the impact that our rites of passage have on us, our children, future generations and the earth, but you don’t know where to start and it’s keeping you stuck?

Yes? Then you're in the right place.

Divine intervention has brought us here together because…


You being called to further your skills in the art of holding space and circle keeping


You feel ready to get paid for truly transformational sacred work that never feels like work, while being part of deep global and ancestral healing and connection


You are being called to dive deeper into your sacred work, to grow and diversify your sacred business by facilitating Blessing & Matrescence ceremonies. 

“We do spiritual ceremonies as human beings in order to create a safe resting place for our most complicated feelings of joy or trauma, so that we don't have to haul those feelings around with us forever, weighing us down.


We all need such places of ritual safekeeping.


And I do believe that if your culture or tradition doesn't have the specific ritual you are craving, then you are absolutely permitted to make up a ceremony of your own devising, fixing your own broken-down emotional systems with all the do-it-yourself resourcefulness of a generous plumber/poet.”




Are you a Birthworker?

Have you felt frustrated and deflated by your work within the birth system and want an alternative way to support your clients through their Matrescence?


Have you seen first hand the incredible magic that is created during a circle and want to share it with others?


Have you felt frustrated at the ways your work and your client’s experiences are not being treated as sacred, and you’d like to offer something that brings the sacred back?


Are you looking for ways to facilitate sacred transformations for your clients outside of the current and usual ‘system’?

This is for you if...

~ You are looking for guidance from an experienced facilitator, birthkeeper and mentor to support you on this path of facilitating rituals while growing your current or new sacred business.


~ You’re feeling ready to step into your soul-led call to hold sacred space, with confidence and ease but you’re not quite sure where to start and the steps to take next


~ You’ve found yourself second-guessing your abilities; you question whether you’re cut out for this work or have what it takes to turn this calling and holy work into an ethical, authentic & profitable sacred business.


~ You’re feeling anxious and uncertain about the future. The realities of the business side feels a lot more challenging than you expected.


~ You crave a like-minded community and experienced professionals to help you navigate this big leap and the realities and uncertainty of this vulnerable work. 


~ You feel overwhelmed at all the necessary steps you think you need to take


I See You!!

I was you a few years ago too.
I remember the first call to this work.
It lights you up from the inside out.


You feel all warm and fuzzy like you have come across some secret, and you wonder why it was kept from you so long.


But now you want to shout it from the rooftops. You want to tell everyone about how good it can feel when you are connected to others in circle. When you honour someone and truly witness them in their liminal space, on the path to transformation.


Perhaps you have had enough of on-call and/or hospital-based work, and any work that does not honour the sacred parts of our life as humans on this physical plane?

That call is a call from the divine.
It is your Dharma.
It is what you are here to do.

And it won’t stop until you listen.


I remember completing my doula training (after studying social work & midwifery) and feeling really lost and almost defeated by how taxing it was on me & my very young family. I knew there had to be so.much.more to this work to support women, birthing people, babies & families during their pregnancy, birth and postpartum. Whatever we were commonly doing was (and still is) not working well enough to prevent such significantly negative outcomes.


  • Birth trauma
  • High intervention rates well beyond evidence-based practice
  • Postpartum depression (for both parents)
  • Bonding issues
  • Physical issues
  • Mental health issues
  • Breastfeeding issues

And the list goes on.


I thought back to my years as a school social worker and could see the invisible thread that weaves strongly between how children and teenagers are programmed to view their bodies and sacred life events as taboo, shameful and broken, and the impacts it was (and is) having on birth and beyond.


I could see that attending a birth and supporting a woman or pregnant person through their birth experience was in many ways, “too late” to impact and unravel the years (possibly generations) of imprinted messages about womanhood and the expectations on us (right from infancy) to hide any and all parts that reveal our power, magic and sovereignty.


  • Our blood
  • Our Sexuality & Pleasure
  • Birth
  • Ageing
  • Death


What I could see very clearly was, as Jane Hardwicke Collings says;

"What a women experiences at her rite of passage becomes the rite of passage."

And this, we see all around us.


Menarche being hidden, shamed and viewed as disgusting- hidden in the shadows, or completely overlooked and ignored, imprinting on all people that a woman must be seen and not heard.


Body Image and self-esteem issues are rife and beginning younger and younger, often stemming from feelings of shame and unworthiness because of one's physical body not appearing to fit the expectations, or being dirty and needing to be changed.


That our bodies are commodities to be hidden and manipulated to fit a specific mould. To be pathologised and medicated rather than revered and embraced.


That our sexuality is taboo and our pleasure should never be spoken about.


That aging should be avoided and resisted AT.ALL.COSTS no matter what the pain, cost or sacrifice. The greatest shame comes from being seen as old and therefore unwanted and unworthy.


And of course birth- again, pathologised and medicalised for huge profits and ease of anyone else but the woman or pregnant person (and her child/ren) at the centre of the experience.


The consequences of this disconnection and distortion is immeasurable. Possibly irreparable.


Menstrual issues are becoming the majority rather than experienced by only some... yet we forget that our menstrual blood is a fifth vital sign and our cycles are the barometer of our wellbeing... what are they trying to tell us?


Hormonal contraceptives more common in teenager than not (and not for any specific medical reason either)


Fertility issues on the rise is a very significant way.


Rising medicalisation of birth is leading to increased (and often difficult to measure) consequences long term for babies and further generations.


All of this is connected.
It has to be.
Yet we are told to believe it is just 'normal'.


You and I both know this world needs healing.




There is nothing ok with any of this.

That's why you are here!

That's Why You're Here!

Our connection to ourselves. To one another. And to nature has been stolen from us.


Commodified. Commercialised. Pathologised.


Because then our power and our sovereignty is forgotten.


And we make such wonderfully loyal and pliable consumers.


I could see that working in circle with teenagers, to support them to feel seen and heard and honoured in their vulnerability brought through something so powerful it is hard to describe in words. IT was something so raw, so ancient and yet something more natural than I had ever witnessed.


Once they felt safe and brave to let their walls down, they talked about their fears, their insecurities, their bodies, their futures, their relationships, their shame and their hope. We often discussed birth and sex and taboos were not only welcome but expected because when they are met with connection and empathy, shame cannot survive, only love, for self and for others survives.


I know now that I had witnessed circle medicine at work- I just didn’t realise it at the time, but I was hooked on finding a way to support others evoke more of what this world clearly needs right now if we have any hope of repairing the damage done for so many years.


Healing the sisterhood wound & healing the witch wound became my mission.


I could see that this work would bring a reclamation to the feminine and restore a much-needed balance to this world.


To be human is to be spirit in physical form.


Our spirit is yearning to be unearthed, witnessed and held.


This is where the honouring of our rites of passage through ceremony & gathering in circle of any form evokes the medicine and where you can be a bringer of light and change through becoming a confident and self-assured circle & blessing facilitator.


This is our peaceful and gentle rebellion to stand against everything and everyone that has stolen our power from us. This is our activism, in the most sacred way, to bear the torch from our ancestors to reclaim this ancient way of being.

"We have been sitting in circle longer than we haven't"

~ Jane Hardwicke Collings ~

But I hear you asking...


  • Where do I even start?
  • What rituals and activities do I use?
  • How do I hold space for a big group, especially when big emotions arise?
  • How do I feel confident to hold space for fears and unravelling?
  • How do I overcome the doubt and feeling that you haven’t got what it takes for such holy and uncertain work?
  • How do I protect my energy, prevent burn out and ensure proper and appropriate self-care?
  • How do I ensure that I am culturally respectful and inclusive in my work?


(Cultural appropriation is a significant issue in this field and you want to do better but you don’t know how or where to start.)


And of course;


  • How on earth do I charge for something so sacred?
  • Doesn’t charging taint the sacredness of this work?
  • Who would even pay me for this?
  • How do I get clients?
  • Can I really create a sustainable and thriving business from Blessings & Circles?

Let Me Show You How...

Through my own years of service, I have been given a pathway code that assists in ensuring a necessary balance between sacred and inner service. We must both harness our unique energy and master our magic while ALSO growing a sustainable sacred business that gives back to us so that we can keep giving back to the world. There is no ONE way; no ‘one size fits all’ in this work because success looks different to everyone, but there is a blueprint to unearth YOUR own way and align with what your soul is asking you to do in this life.


This work of Birth Work & Circle Keeping is deep. It is serious. It is sacred and it is important. It is not regular business by any stretch of the word.

You have been divinely called here, you were chosen.


You have been passed the torch by the ancestors who went before you, that took their place in the fringes, often risking their lives and reputation to follow their call … the witches, the midwives, the fringe dwellers, the healers, the rebels, the dark mothers, the wild women, the undomesticated, the shamans, the space holders and the earth keepers.


You are part of a small group of veil lifters and mystery holders here to reawaken others to the power that has been stolen from them.


Your work goes well beyond the realm of birth alone. Birth is our first initiation as both child and as mother/birthing person. Birth is the entry point and the beginning of each cycle. Every phase relies on an integral understanding of birth as a pivotal point in the cycle that immensely impacts the ones that come after… peace on earth begins with birth because birth is the beginning; the gateway.


This is likely why you chose birthwork as your entry point into the mysteries. Either you were awakened to your own calling at birth, as part of a transformational rebirth of yourself when you entered the mother phase, or you came to see for yourself the ripples of impact that birth has on literally everything.


But perhaps birthwork is not where you are merely meant to be serving the full extent of your service. Birth was your initiation but you are ready to go deeper.


There is so much that needs to be unlearned in our world regarding birth, death and our mysteries yet things feel so hopeless that turning up to support birth alone feels futile and that we are contributing to the damage being done.


What if I told you that you could go deeper in your sacred work, step fully into conscious leadership of our own unique call and support the sacred-keeping of all of our rites of passage?


What if I told you that it IS possible to build a thriving and sustainable sacred business from facilitating blessings & circles to help be part of the change and healing that the world needs now?


That it IS possible to wake up with joy knowing you are here to serve women and birthing people in a way that sparks joy (and get paid for it!)


We NEED you to follow this call, this is what you are here to do, to help be part of creating the world we all want to live in, now and into the future.

The world suffers when you don’t follow your calling.

I know you can feel it.

Maybe this is just what you are looking for? Perhaps your soul is tired and isn’t sure which steps to take next to stop/reduce attending births and do your part for change in another way?


I believe strongly that we do NOT need to be physically present at a birth to support our clients to prepare for birth, initiate powerful change and fight the system. In fact, at this point in time, we can perhaps do far more as a fringe dweller than risking our role in being part of the harm.


If this speaks to you and the knowledge you hold that you are part of something greater cannot be silenced any longer, know you have found your kin.



Become a Blessing & Circle Medicine Facilitator and...


  • Learn how to plan a sacred blessing, ceremony or circle from the very beginning to pack up.
  • Feel confident in your work, without the constant plague of doubt in your mind that you are not enough or you don’t know enough.
  • Follow your calling and build a life and business of your dreams.
  • Unveil your own unique way of facilitating and create rituals and ceremony styles that reflect your authentic style and speak to your unique audience.
  • Finally get paid for your innate gifts that will change the world.
  • Unearth what your gift looks like in the world as a packaged offering that feels good and is aligned with your desires and intentions.
  • Liberate yourself by making your sacred business work for you and your family (not the other way around)
  • Plan your sacred business around how you want your life to feel, rather than the other way around.
  • No longer feel like this sacred women’s work, healing work and birth work are to be given in exchange for sacrifices to yourself or your family.
  • You will now have a toolkit that will support you to work from the inside out and be completely sustainable.
  • Reveal your own special sauce and stop trying to emulate others doing similar work.
  • Build a community that supports the foundations of your success
  • Feel completely and utterly worthy, competent and confident in your ability to hold space in all circumstances of this sacred work


You are here with a gift and you are here to serve. This is what you shall do! No need for disbelief in your ability or your value.

The best part is that this course is that it was specifically designed for birthworkers and sacred space holders to incorporate into their sacred business BY a Birthworker and Threshold Walker who did just that.




  • You cannot do this work alone.
  • You cannot do this work for free.
  • You cannot do this work without honouring your own needs.
  • You cannot do this work without being seen.
  • You must ensure that you hold space not hijack it and ensure you do no harm.


And, just as the landscape of ethical and authentic marketing is changing, our need for connection is not... we as sacred workers and Threshold Walkers need to grow and move with the times so that our message and gifts can be seen, heard and utilised

Why this work is so important...

Circles are a portal for transformation. They are in and of themselves a threshold. They are sacred and maintain and uphold reverence for sacredness in the world where sacredness seems to be lost elsewhere.


Circles weave together science with the sacred as a necessary part of the medicine to anchor us back to our spirit souls embodied in physical earthly form; the true human nature. What our spirit yearns for will heal our physical bodies. What our soul calls us to will be positive for this world. This is our holy wild nature that we often forget.


Circles are the medicine our souls call us to remember, as a matter of urgency!


  • Not because they are pretty.
  • Not because they make us feel lovely
  • Not because they are fun
  • Not because they are a nice way to relax and give ourselves some self-care


Circles, if held positively, are powerful medicine that will transform your life and the lives of those around you. The transformations that occur within a circle, ripples out far beyond you as an individual and far beyond the linear time and space we know in this moment. Circle heals and transforms our past, our present and our future. Even when we don’t realise.


No matter what the setting or aesthetic, and regardless of different facilitator styles, have the potential to evoke, validate and enable the most authentic and truest form of our souls/spirit which reside in our physical, earthly bodies waiting to be woken. This is medicine that allows us to alchemise our spirit and body together (as they should be and yearn to be) and it reminds us what it truly means to be human; spirit in physical form.


We have honestly become so disconnected from our spirit and soul that we have forgotten what it means to be human.


  • To be human is not solely to be a physical body on this planet, moving through the motions of our culture’s patriarchal expectations.
  • To be human is to embrace our physical needs as well as equally honouring the needs of our spirit and soul.
  • To be human is to fully embody the heart, brain connection.

When we die, only our physical body remains earthside. So why, when alchemised within our body do we bypass and ignore the needs of our spirit?


To be human is to feel completely sovereign and powerful with everything we need already inside of us as physical manifestations of our spirit while ALSO symbiotically needing to feel connected with others, to feel seen and to feel like we belong somewhere amongst others.


We must strive to be keepers of the sacred within all that appears to be mundane. Circle is the sacred place where we remember how to be our truest most authentic selves... we are spirit cloaked in a physical body and circle is where our spirit/soul feels safe to be seen beyond our physical form; where we remember what it means to be wholly human.


When we enter a circle, we enter a liminal space where transformation takes place through reconnection. We then leave the space refilled and renewed. Sometimes a little shaky on our feet but strong in soul and spirit. We are not the same as when we entered. We leave transformed, with the intention to reintegrate all that took place in that space.


Additionally, Blessings are a type of sacred circle and a beautiful way to honour pregnancy, or any transitional journey. They are a wonderful way to support your clients to honour any emotions arising from this path- including fears, worries or blocks, without it being specifically therapeutic.


The world will truly suffer if you don’t follow this calling, but it is also important that you have an arsenal of skills and tools, including a kindred community that ensures you protect yourself and your energy, as well as have a solid foundation of ethical and professional practice in this incredibly vulnerable and sacred realm that often takes us between world.


Calling a circle is the embodiment of shadow work and is a reclamation of the dark feminine. This is about holding space for deep, vulnerable, brave and sacred shadow work and unconscious processing. This work is serious and it has to be treated with reverence. You can't "love and light" this stuff and expect the sort of outcomes and deep connection we need to actually see the change we wish to see.


Let me be your guide...

A few years back I discovered the true power that arises from facilitating safe and brave spaces for Circle Medicine to work its magic. I took this discovery and turned it into a number of in-person and online Circles and Gatherings with such beautiful outcomes.


You will truly enjoy your sacred work and your business will thrive without even feeling like work!

About Me


I’m Katherine, I live to see birth professionals, sacred workers & Threshold Walkers not only survive in this work but truly thrive. ​


I help Birthworkers and Sacred Space Holders to diversify their offerings and become unapologetically clear and confident in their soul calling, so they can serve more women and birthing people in a deeper, more holistic and profitable way (while still vehemently protecting the sacredness of this work).


As a Threshold Walker, Social Worker, Coach, Circle Keeper and Sacred Space Holder for over 10+ years (actually, I am sure I was called to this service as my soul path for this life, right from birth), I’ve walked alongside countless women step into their soul-led path and have watched them thrive.

It's my personal mission to facilitate a revolution of Threshold Walkers who are keepers and defenders of the sacred; that walk with empty presence along the thresholds of life assisting in re-connection with ourselves as Spirit in physical form, with our Mother Earth and with one another. I remember what it felt like to want to support my clients (and ALL people) to honour their sacred moments but not feeling confident in where or how to start and feeling overwhelmed by how to create offers out of something so sacred.

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Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I cannot explain how much you have helped me. I don’t know what I would have done without your support through these early experiences. ​To be honest I might have even been put off from doing this job altogether. I probably would have been put off getting more clients and attending any more births. Your ​support has been really helpful to navigate through it all and help me to stay calm, not get stressed or overwhelmed.



The work Katherine and I did has been life-changing.

I can't recommend her highly enough and honestly wish I could pocket her and have her whisper wisdom to me all day!!



I feel like I have an amazing community and support network. I felt as if I have been totally held as I worked my way through all the struggles and realisations that come with starting a business, doing doula work and working on myself…. I believe I am infinitely worth and deserving of everything I want and desire. I feel much more ready to start my business - much more prepared. I feel as though I am ready to take on clients, build my business, offer my services and support women. I feel as though I honour my energy and things flow much more now.

- Hannah

This course is NOT for you if...

✘ You are not willing to go as far as you wish to take your clients


✘ You are committed to a spiritually bypassing, ‘love and light’ narrative or unethical practices which bypass necessary shadow work, inclusivity, culturally appropriate practice, critical questioning and listening


✘ You are not willing to put yourself first and make self-care and your own personal and professional development first before others (because this truly matters!)


✘ You are not willing to put safeguards and boundaries in place for yourself, your business and for those, you are working with


✘ You are not ready for transformation or change


✘ You are not committed to personal inner shadow work to ensure that you do not harm and do not create toxic or unhealthy relationship dynamics and co-dependencies to fill your own unmet needs


✘ You are unsure and are not completely, fully and no-turning-back HECK YES-ing this page


✘ You are not yet ready to embrace the things that make you uncomfortable- but that propel you into growth


✘ You do not feel a deep connection with the earth and innate wild self that you want to explore further


✘ You want to remain in the place that you are because growth or change is too scary and hard


✘ You are not willing to take action to step into your soul-work (I will not do it for you)


✘ You are looking purely for external ‘things’ to make you feel better- this work is all about the magic that already lies within you! We will work together to unearth it and find the way you want to put it to best use


✘ For a long term relationship where you desire hand-holding every step of the way- this is about you learning how to fly on your own (I will be offering a more continuity of care model of mentorship program soon, put your name on the waitlist if you are looking for long term support- but I will ensure you are able to be independent and no foster co-dependencies!)


✘ If you are not willing to try new things


✘ You are not ready to see your sacred business grow and find its own legs to move and grow

This course IS for you if...

You are a birthworker  (perhaps you are struggling with hospital or on-call work) wanting to diversify how you serve your clients because you know that attending a birth alone is not going to facilitate the transformation and outcomes that your clients truly desire


You want to feel confident to support your clients to go deeper in their journey with you


You tired of seeing others talking about ‘empowering your clients’ because you want to walk alongside others while they remember the tools (already within them) to empower themselves


You are ready to step into your soul-led conscious leadership and be part of the positive change we all wish to see


You have been struggling with on-call or hospital-based work and want to pivot in your business while continuing to make a positive impact on your clients, without the burnout and sacrifices to your family life


You are looking for support from an experienced facilitator and Birthworker on how to ensure you can seamlessly facilitate any type of blessing and account for any unexpected circumstances/events


You are committed to scaling and growing your sacred business in a way that allows you to keep serving your clients, continue adding value and maintain the sacredness of your work without relying solely on on-call work. This will create a more sustainable and profitable business without the burnout


You're tired of the sacredness being removed/stolen from vulnerable liminal space of pregnancy, birth and parenthood


You're serious about going deeper with your clients in a way that helps them reclaim their sacred Rites of passage while also diversifying and growing your business (without attending more births)


You're ready to feel confident to step into your soul-led role as a conscious leader to facilitate Blessings, Circles & Ceremonies for your clients for any event, in any setting

What's Included

This course will support you to:


Transform from an inexperienced facilitator lacking confidence in your abilities and uncertain as to where to start to a wise and self-assured Blessing, Ceremony & Circle Keeper

Build a profitable sacred business that means you can stop living in survival mode and focus purely on this calling

Get clear on who you wish to work with, how your gifts best serve them and how to magnetise them to you

Remove overwhelm from the business and practical realities of this work by gaining important tools and resources to make things simpler, easier

Unearth your own unique gifts and skills so that you can create something completely unique and authentic to you and who you wish to serve

Liberate yourself from the risk of burnout and learn how to protect your energy, and work from a place of alignment, to the rhythm of your own unique energy

Reduce how much time you spend setting up your sacred business with a number of resources and practical tools so you can spend more actually connecting with your clients, deep in the sacred work- exactly what you are here to do


On signing up you will receive:


Lifetime access to a self-paced online course platform

Audio and video lessons, plus written lessons and tools for deeper integration and alternative ways of learning

All of the resources, information and materials you need to begin (and keep to use in the future) including:

  • Day plans for both blessings & circles
  • Themes & topics to use for your events
  • Guided lessons on circle activities such as; crafts, poems, chants
  • How to package your offer/s
  • Finance and budget tracking sheets
  • Necessary business form templates and other planning tools
  • How to take bookings and payments
  • Self-care & protecting your energy tools, resources and lessons

Confidence in calling a circle for any event, knowing you are more than enough to hold space for anything that might arise

Every student who completes the course will receive a Certificate Of Completion & a branded website badge to display on your website and social media

And SO much more!

Blessing & Circle Medicine Mock Ups(3)

PLUS as a BONUS for this first round - You will have access to three live Q&A sessions with me within a VIP kindred community on Facebook.

When you rise.
We all rise.

Module Breakdown


What Are Blessing Ceremonies?

The Circle Medicine Formula

Ethical, Professional & Culturally Appropriate Practice

Setting Intentions & Cultivating Safety

Discomfort, Fear & Big Emotions

You as a Leader & Embodying the Art of Holding Space

Blessing Planning & Organising Tools

  • Workflow & SOPs
  • Booking Forms
  • Service Agreement
  • Invitations
  • Day Plan Templates
  • Poems & Chants
  • Affirmations
  • Checklist

Circle Planning & Organising

Rituals & Activities including

  • Setting the Space
  • Sabbats Calendar
  • Working with the Moon
  • Crafting
  • Adorning

Marketing Your Sacred Offer

Resources & Books

BONUS Guided Fear Release

Are you Ready?
Let's Go!

Be the Blessing & Circle Medicine Facilitator that the Earth needs now.



What is it worth to you to start living your dream life, in service to the Goddess, a defender of the sacred and part of the revolution for global healing and transformation while in complete alignment with your own energy and Dharma?


What do you stand to lose if in 12 months time you have not stepped in to the impactful conscious leadership that is so strongly calling you?


What are you willing to invest to ensure that your soul work and the support of the clients is built on solid foundations? To ensure that your own energy is protected and you can continue this work for many years to come?


What would you pay to fast track yourself into a thriving sacred Blessing & Circle Medicine Facilitator with confidence and ease, knowing you will be able to reclaim your investment very quickly after completion?


The Blessing & Circle Medicine Facilitator Training is an energy exchange that costs that which could be recouped with a few sold out circles or ceremony bookings. This course gives you everything you need to fast track your ability to begin curating & marketing your own circles and events. You will begin your journey with a complete toolkit that I have been building for many years, one that you will add to but that will save you a lot of time in the beginning.


What Are You Waiting For?


We will begin this journey on February 12th 2021 on the New Moon.


But join now to reserve your place and get access to the introductory videos and resources.


Places are strictly limited!


Even with the multiple bonuses on offer, I am also offering an exclusive price for this preliminary round.


This course is JAM PACKED with value!


While I have estimated the content in this course is worth well over $2000, you can get access to all of this and more for just $799 before Feb 12th!
(the price will increase to $899 after that)




If you purchased a Blessing & Circle Medicine Resource Bundle you are eligible for $100 off the current price (making it just $699) but you need to get in quick and join before February 6th!


I promise, this price is a STEAL and I will be putting it up pretty soon, so reserve your place today.

You can pay in full or via a payment plan.

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Frequantly Asked Questions

If you have further questions, please email and I will get back to you as soon as I can (generally within 24hours Mon-Fri).